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    Default "Clean" on Suboxone?

    I ran across this post from a longtime member and felt it sticky-worthy. Maybe even worthy of being the intro for the Sub forum on the home page. Anyway, I had to re-post it. Take it for what's it's worth...


    quote:Originally posted by Sluggo january 16, 2009



    personally, if you choose to call yourself "clean" on sub....not my place to judge. its not my definition of 'clean', but as you stated...i'm not here to judge you, or anyone. I know that being on sub does feel better, safer, harm reduction if you will...so, I get it. after shooting heroin for 10 years, being on sub would seem like nirvana, and give me the false impression of 'clean'...cause I wasn't chasin Flaco on the corner for dope anymore, stickin a dirty needle in my arm 15 times a day, or pukin in the corner when I ran out. i could pick it up at my local pharmacy, and poof...good to go. i get it.

    however....when there are folks struggling like hell to get/stay clean off all opiates...forever....sick as dogs....crawling their way around....and someone shows up, announcing their 30 days of clean time, smiling, happy...and medicated. to me...its just sending the wrong message to those struggling like hell to be free of all opiates.

    i am not against suboxone...not at all. it has served me well....twice. i am grateful for it. i was even more grateful to be off it...all of it.

    perhaps when you get to the other side, you'll see/feel differently. when you've been through the hell of detox/paws and can walk free...you'll see the paradox of being 'clean' on sub.

    again...no judgements. i bring love....that's it.

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    do with it as you see fit....its not 'mine'.

    cheers
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    Very true. Suboxone is such a wierd vortex. Gets you normal, zero high, blocks other stuff but you are screwed when you try to stop.

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    ive been battling with myself for a while if i should sign up for the suboxone program. theres a long wait period in upstate ny, and i get itso damn cheap on the street, but anyway it just reminds me of liquid handcuffs(methadone). i know big diff. but same principal of having to get addicted again and detoxing again. i"m sure we all know this already. But need to remind myself that being 100% is absolutely best for me

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    Is 10 days on sub enough to get off oxy, but too short to need sub?

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    It's pushing it.

    I wouldn't recommend anyone staying on Sub more than 7 days for a short detox.

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    Nice posting...
    Cheers for bringing it again.
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    Default Re: "Clean" on Suboxone?

    I appreciate your post--I too have questioned the theory that -- CLEAN on suboxene?? After doing extension research and talking to many drs, pharmacists and other sub. specialists, I learned -- It is a class three opiate/narcotic and highly addictive if not prescribed and used properly. I do believe that if it is strictly monitored by medically professionals it can literally give a drug addict their life back and that is WONDERFUL. Unfortuntely my husband was not so lucky and made some bad choices. I battled with my husband over his long term abuse of this drug as he gradually fell into the TRAP. He tried to convince me that it was helping him stay clean and if it wasn't for the sub., then he would fall back into relapse. How sad--this drug contributed to the demise our marriage. I wasn't "buying into" the long term dosage he was on and the other drugs the dr. was introducing. He is hooked and there is nothing I can do. --He is a drug addict that was prescribed suboxene --a drug that gave him false hope and changed MY LIFE FOREVER!

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    I think it's naive to blame anything on an inanimate object. There's a person behind every substance and weapon which is called "bad" and "evil". I used suboxone to graduate college. After being clean 2 years, I had a bad kidney stone and was re addicted to opiates (from a ~1 week IV drip of delotted), and my choice was to withdrawal and miss finals, or to get my body in a situation where I could use it effectively.

    Now, it's a year later and I'm just now down to a low enough dosage of suboxone to quit without huge problems, so I'm going to do it. Every week is like a house-arrest because I have to be within a day's travel of my suboxone clinic in case they call me in for a pill count. I have to do EVERYTHING they say and have no room to do what I want, to travel Europe and play my piano, because I have to go in once a week and upkeep this "sobriety".

    I agree 100% that being on suboxone is not being free of addiction, but one could definitely say that being on suboxone allows one to live a like of being clean. There are a ton of people who take weekly prescriptions for a myriad of real and made up problems, just because you don't agree with the reasons someone takes a prescription doesn't mean that it doesn't help them.

    It all comes down to how it is used. religious texts are a perfect example of this.

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    Default Re: "Clean" on Suboxone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Deimos View Post
    I agree 100% that being on suboxone is not being free of addiction, but one could definitely say that being on suboxone allows one to live a like of being clean.

    There are a ton of people who take weekly prescriptions for a myriad of real and made up problems, just because you don't agree with the reasons someone takes a prescription doesn't mean that it doesn't help them.
    Living the life that's "like clean" is one of the big justifications for methadne maintenance. Yet it's nothing "like clean."

    When I was using suboxone, I thought I was living a life that was "like clean," because it was so much better (more responsible and responsive) than the old life. It was only when I jumped off suboxone and faced a life of zero-milligrams of anything to make me "feel better" that I realized living on suboxone was not like living clean.

    The big challenge for us is planning for zero milligrams.

    about the last bit... I take neurontin for pain problems. But I don't find myself thinking about it during the day, whether I need another dose, whether I "feel" OK or whether more would make me feel better. I don't hide it around the house; I never run out before the end of the month (in fact, my script usually lasts almost two months); I don't find myself wondering if I need to find alternate sources.

    I suppose this means it all depends on how it's used, as you say... but some things simply CAN'T be used the way opiates can. This doesn't mean opiates are evil. But it does mean they carry certain dangers for certain people. Suboxone's dangers/problems when used long-term are pretty well documented anecdotally, if not scientifically.

    Today I can go anywhere, anytime. I'm free. I could never do that while in my addiction, and I couldn't do it on suboxone.

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    Default Re: "Clean" on Suboxone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Deimos View Post
    Every week is like a house-arrest because I have to be within a day's travel of my suboxone clinic in case they call me in for a pill count. I have to do EVERYTHING they say and have no room to do what I want, to travel Europe and play my piano, because I have to go in once a week and upkeep this "sobriety".

    I agree 100% that being on suboxone is not being free of addiction, but one could definitely say that being on suboxone allows one to live a like of being clean.
    Really? Dude....I am clean(as in NO opiates). I am not under house arrest, do not have to worry about 'pill counts', and am free to travel anywhere on the globe I choose.

    Everything you've stated above....certainly negates your last sentence.

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