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    IsThisForever is offline Senior Member
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    Default Does SUBUTEX stop cravings???

    I have heard on this board that SUBOXONE takes away cravings from your DOC?

    Mine DOC is Heroin and I am on SUBUTEX and I have been so now (this time round) for nearly a month but have been on and off my DOC for nearly 4yr's and also on and off SUBUTEX for that time too (4yr's)

    I have re-lapsed and am a chronic re-lapser and have gone back to the H many many time while on the SUBUTEX.

    I still get cravings and this is why I normally give in and go and use again but...........................I have heard people say that SUBOXONE stops cravings and it's like a 'miracle' drug?

    Does SUBOXONE stop cravings?

    Is SUBUTEX meant to stop cravings or is it different to the SUBOXONE?

    We cannot get SUBOXONE over here (UK) IF IT DOES STOP THE CRAVINGS I WANT TO SWITCH BUT IF THE SUBUTEX IS MEANT TO STOP THE CRAVING TOO, WHATS UP WITH ME?

    Thanks for your help!

    Kristy x

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    Hi Kristy, THey are both the same.. The only differnce is Suboxone has 2 mgs Naloxone in it to keep anyone from shooting any drugs..

    If you are getting cravings, then either you are not on a high enough dose of Subutex, or you are not taking it correctly..

    Or, you really are just not wanting to stop fully. How do you take the subutex? Are you letting the whole pill disolve fully?
    What dose are you taking?
    Buprenorphine is in both subutex and Suboxone.. SO, You Should not have cravings...Have you taken the subutex on a daily basis or do you skip back and forth??

    Think Positive and
    Stay Strong~~
    Sheri



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    IMO, no drug is going to completely stop your cravings. Sheri's right, there shouldn't be a noticeable difference in craving reduction between suboxone and subutex. I had some cravings while on suboxone, especially at lower doses. Maybe you need to up your dose? That seems preferable to returning to using heroin?

    I don't think any drug can completely eliminate the desire to get high. That has to come from somewhere else. (don't ask me where...I'm still a work in progress on that one!)

    Is increasing your dose an option? I seem to recall that things are different when it comes to dosing in the UK....

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    Ashley, I believe you are correct, people from the UK have to go to the chemist and get there daily dose. IF i am not mis-taken.. But i think that it also takes a want and desire NOT to go back and you can not count on anything but yourself for that...

    Hope all is well with you..

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    Hi Sheri/Ashely ~ I am on 2.4mg of Subutex a day.

    I take the 2mg (1 tablet) in the AM and the other (two o.4mg) tablets in the PM.

    My dose feels fine now and I don't want to up my dose as I have been on the sub now for nearly a month and if I count how many times I have been on the sub before this then skipped back to the H it mounts upto 2yr's on sub.

    I don't feel w/d no more and even when I lower my dose I feel quite good.

    I take my dose on a daily basis but have had quite a few re-lapses back to H in the month I have been on the subutex.

    I let the tablets fully dissolve under my tongue and swollow the spit.

    Yes, we do pick up our daily dose from the chemist (if on maintanence) but if on a short 'say 12 day sub course then we pick it up from the clinic that has prescibed it us until we finish the course.

    I DO want to get off the H and stay clean 'real bad'

    I was just thinking, maybe it's not the H I am having cravings for, maybe it's the crack because whenever I shoot up H I never shoot it up by itself, it is always with crack as a 'snowball'

    I never would shoot up just the H, it ALWAYS HAD TO BE with crack, as to feel that 'rush'

    To me there was no point in shooting up just the H because I never got a buzz off it in the end, it just made me feel well again.

    I could have been rattling 'REAL BAD' and I would of had a ?10 note on me (enough to score a bag of H) and I would walk around town 'SICK' asking people if they had another tenner (?10 note) on them to chuck in with me to get a snowball (have half each) they would say 'no, why how much have you got' and I would say '?10' and they would be like 'whats up with you, go and score, you have enough to get a bag of H already'

    I would just walk off 'SICK' and carry on until I found someone to go halfs with on a snowball or until I had raised the other ?10 myself and go get a full one.

    How crazy, as sick as that, having enough money on you to score a bag and get yourself well and not doing so all because you wanted to wait until you had enough for the crack aswel to go with it?

    CRAZY!!!

    I am trying to stay strong everyday, I really am x

    Kristy>>>>>>>>>>>

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    Hi Kristy~~
    Ovioulsly the going on and off Sub is not going to work.. And the sub when you are taking it is NOT covering your cravings and it should be.. You are the only one WHO CAN FIGHT THE CRAVINGS, and SAY NO MORE!!
    YOU CAN GET CLEAN, and YOU CAN GET OFF ALL THIS CRAP.. BUT, you have to NOT give into cravings, and change your lifestyle... A quick buzz is NOT WORTH RISKING your freedom or life for..

    Sub is NOT going to make you stop stop using... The only way to stop using if for you to fully commit and
    do what ever it takes. After you get off the sub, you have to FIGHT and STAY STRONG and work through the cravings not give into them..

    I never got into shooting crack, but i did smoke it and it was never a problem for me just walking away from it.. I never did heroin either.. BUT I KNOW THAT IT TAKES A FULL DESIRE AND COMMITMENT TO STOP USING..

    Not only are you taking a chance everytime of over dosing, but you can get arrested for buying the stuff and risk not only your life but your freedom..And being locked up is NOT the way you want to have to detox..

    I really hope that you stay strong, and make a commitment to fighting the cravings...YOU CAN DO IT...
    And you can get rid of the demon... Have you thought of maybe a support center or some therapy to learn how to work through cravings and triggers?

    Think Positive and
    Stay Strong~~
    Sheri



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    Thanks Sheri ~ your words always mean so much to me 'they really do' they are valid and they always seem to pick me up a little and put me on that higher level.

    You are a true inspiration to me and I so wish I could be you, where does your inner strength come from and how the hell do I get mine?

    I don't know how old you are but I am 19, I keep getting told that 'as I am still young I probably won't 'really' want to give up the H and crack just yet, as it normaly 'clicks' into your brain when you get a little older'?

    I am due for rehab very soon 'thank goodnes' but no I don't have any other sort of support at the moment bar my family, they are great but they are 'straighties' and sometimes it hard for them to understand the was I think and whats in my head.

    If you notice I have 'really good days' and then 'really BAD days' it's very strange?

    I am now on the B-12 and SamE, do not feel no change yet but it has only been two days.

    I am just taking a day at a time at the mo and this may seem wrong but the way I look at it is 'if I do go out and use (this time round) I always come back after a day and start back up on my subutex, where as before if I went out and used I would of stuck with it and got my habbit back. Now, some people would say I am trying to have the best of both worlds and trying to use recreationaly but this is NOT true, I slip up and then feel 'so bad' I just know I have to go back home and try and start again on the sub and I will carry on like this until the day I never use again and I know I will get there in the end.

    Thanks for your kind words Sheri ~ love to you!

    You are in my thoughts n prayers daily x

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    Doesn't the UK do dosing like every other day with a high dose each day. Like 16mgs on monday and wednesday. And then 24mgs on friday and thats it. My doctor tried that with me and could not get past the day without the sub. Think it was all mental now. Day 1 with no sub and feeling ok.
    Capri

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    Not as far as I know Capri.

    Everyone I know is on a 'daily pick-up' from their chemist and they just give you your asigned dose for the day.

    Glad your doing good girl - keep it up!

    Kristy x

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    Hi Kristy~~

    Can the Doctor raise your dose? Or, is there a set limit on how much you can take?

    Think Positive and
    Stay Strong~~
    Sheri



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    Hiya Sheri ~ yes, my key worker/Dr can up my dose and they would if I asked them too but also I have to be clean off 'everything' before I can go into my rehab, so they might be a little funny about uping my dose at the moment actualy.

    How are you today?

    Kristy x x

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    Hi..kristy
    I did the same thing when i first detoxed w/ sub..relapsed-etc..
    I didn't get the full benifits from the sub-till i stopped-doing dope..and let the sub do its thing..
    I also-started off-doing 8 mgs-initially..seemed to get me to the place..i needed to be..in terms of cravings.
    I hung at 8 mgs for a few months-stopped relapsing..and titrated down as i went along.
    Ive now been H-free on sub for 18 months-due to jump end of this month..
    currently on .5..
    I understand the chronic relapsing on H-couldn't seem to stop-but when i did-and stuck strictly to the sub..it really worked.
    I would say that if you feel its not helping w/ the cravings-maybe you need a dose adjustment to get you to the place that you don't want to use..it really does work on cravings-cos i was relentless in my pursuit of using..
    thats why ive been on so long..i needed this time to let it sink in/
    get some time and work on my life..w/o dope.
    i was a heroin addict for about 8 years-its hard to undo-8 yrs of damage in a short detox..so i stayed w/ suboxone..and im hoping to never go back to my old life..
    Maybe you can talk to your doctor/case worker..and figure out a new regimine.
    peace/healing to you..
    i promise it can be done -i know your young-but when i was 19-i blew off all drugs-and was clean for most of my 20s-didn't even pick up heroin till i was in my 30s!!!Weird huh???I just got sick of getting high-and there was no AA-nothing..i didn't even know about addiction back then-i was just partying alot--and was getting crazy from the mix of drugs back then..(the 70s were a free-for all)
    But i learned TOO much once i took up w/ H..
    you can do this..
    jen

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