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    Hey all, i came across this site just for general support and guidance as well as sharing a little of my own wisdom. I'm from the suburbs of Detroit and to make a long story short, i met a guy who had morphine RX and a dilaudid RX, he was overprescribed, handed them out freely and voila...2 months later i'm HOOKED...fast forward a few years, he goes to jail, i feel WD's for first time...Introduce H....fast forward another few years (I'm 25 now) and I switched from Methadone to suboxone about 6 months ago because the whole clinic thing was a joke and Sub I could have a ready RX for at home.

    Anyways, 6 months ago i inducted onto suboxone from 9mg methadone a day. I started with 4 mg twice daily. 4 months go by, i drop that to 4 mg once daily...feel great. So, for about 6 weeks i stayed on 4mg once a day and about 2 weeks ago started cutting that 4 up into smaller parts and taking them only as needed and ended up at 2 daily about 10 days ago. Stayed at 2mg for about 4 days, then jumped. Today is day 6 no sub at all. I have YET to feel anywhere NEAR as bad as I did comin off of like 2 packs of H/Day.

    So, i'm getting the raining armpits and slight RLS and some insomnia which...I have had since i was 13 so its nothing new. I am just getting very very irritated by lack of total sleep (6 days now, and normally i'll get 2-4 hrs/night) sweating and overall just heightened sense of smell/taste. Everything smells bad, everything tastes weird. My heart is racing non stop and its driving me nuts lol. As you can see, i'm not in THAT bad of shape but my question is...This is my first AND LAST time coming off of suboxone. Where do I stand right now as far as acute withdrawls being over?

    The paws I can and will handle accordingly but its these darn acute symptoms that are still slightly lingering that are getting the best of me. Will this soon pass? Or Is there ANYTHING I can do short of seeing a Dr., to just ease the annoyance or help me out? Thanks

    Ken

    oh yeah, i found something called bystolic, for high BP aka nebivolol. Would this be an acceptable sub for clonodine?

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    Welcome ShadyG....Congrats on the jump.[^] I'm not sure about the bp med you asked about.There are boat loads of bp meds all with a specific purpose.Not the best experiment potential...see the doc. The clonidine has worked well. Imodium AD has helped...with the gastro crud and some other symptoms. Melatonin and/or valerian for sleep.

    Make sure you're hydrating well. Warm baths...assuming you don't have the clonidine...help. Simple excercise, and good nutrition..start simple if needed.

    Sounds like you're about in the middle of the acute stage. But however long it lasts...you'll never have to go thru it again if you don't pick up.
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    Thanks for the encouraging words Jdude. I actually haven't had any stomach problems including Diahrea. No real loss of appetite either. I just literally got out of a hot shower and feel better. I hate the sticky feeling of built up sweat on my skin. It adds to the creepy crawlies. I went ahead and experimented with the BP med i was talking about, but i broke a 5 mg pill into 4 small parts and started small. So far, my minor rls is near gone and my sweating has subsided a bit. I will keep you posted as to how that goes.

    I wrote the original post late last night...actually more like 5 am and it wouldn't post so, I was actually able to get sleep last night with the help of a couple tiny hits of reefer. I'm not a smoker but my brother is, and he knows the situation so he gave me just a tiny bit to ease the sleeping ailments. I slept 7 hours, rock solid..never woke up once. I know this because i fell asleep with my cigarette pack layin on the bed next to me with the lighter on top of it. LoL i must have zonked right the F out because that lighter never slid off the pack during the sleep.

    While i know it's not good to introduce other narcotics while trying to come off of one, I have never been a slave to weed like I am opiates and I'm desperate to try anything that will just help me over the hump, besides we all know pot isn't addicting. Who am I kidding? I sound like a classic junkie lol, bargaining with myself but I promise I AM DONE with the opiates. I've been in this opioid hell for 8 years now, and this if the first time getting clean that I actually have a life to live once clean thanks to suboxone.

    I just hope I can feel somewhat normal soon, it just seems to drag on like no withdrawal before it. Anyways, thanks again for the encouraging words.

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    WOW, in just about 24 hours since I wrote my first post I have felt DRASTIC change in how I feel. This may be because I've taken the BP med i had, benadryl , and a little imodium. I can still feel the withdrawals but they're kind of masked by a hazy/sluggish feeling i believe I am having from the BP meds. It's nothing bad though, my arms and legs just feel a bit heavy is all.

    Question though, for imodium to be of help with the crawlies which it has been...what is a recommended dose in 2mg tablets? I just wan't to make sure i'm not needlessly taking too much. Thanks

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    quote:Originally posted by Shadyguitarist


    Question though, for imodium to be of help with the crawlies which it has been...what is a recommended dose in 2mg tablets? I just wan't to make sure i'm not needlessly taking too much. Thanks
    SG..no flaming ,but if your dose is helping..it's right for you.
    Some folks have had to take more then the recommended daily dose.
    But the Imodium is an opiate base. While it doesn't cross the BBB, caution should still be used.

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    I apologize if i was out of line or something. You said no flaming..I didn't think i said anything offensive so I apologize but yeah, the imodium plus benadryl have nearly eliminated my withdrawals. Wait a sec...I didn't sleep at all last night and I have yet to take imodium , benadryl, or the BP med today and I still feel pretty good. Not perfect but good. I feel I could actually go and work a full day outside with minimal discomfort.

    I hit the gym for about 2 hours last night. 1 hours on the treadmill and 1 hour weight training which is actually half an hour more than my normal routine (30 on tread, 60 weight training) but i know sweating all I can will help clear my body of toxens and also by excersizing i'll release those ever so needed endorphins to make me better. I've been drinking orange juice for the Vit C too do you think thats ok?

    Thanks again for the insight.

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    Hi Ken..I think J meant flaming your re: the Imodium. I am not sure about the amounts to take myself..I never took more than 2 and spent the next 2 days with horrible stomach cramps from them..least I figured it was from them. But they do seems to work.

    Personally I think all vitamins can help..I drink Emergen-C..for the vitamin C..take a multi vitamin, 5htp..for mood..some take it for sleep..but there is also melatonin and Valerian root for sleep..Also, a good amino..I think it tyrosine to help repair endorphins, etc. Ooops, last and not least B-complex..for energy/mood. I didn't take all these vitamins everyday..except the multi and b's. Which I took religiously before my taper/wd.

    Of course...exercise...exercise..what ever you can handle..even just a short walk. I know it sounds like torture, but you really do feel great after..I see you do workout..that's awesome.

    Congrats on your jump..I am 8 weeks out from suboxone now..It's amazing how your whole attitude changes..I am NOT saying I am perfect yet..but a heck of lot better than when I was on sub/methadone/doc. As for Paws..you know I have moments of just no motivation..if this is paws I can handle it..And the worst thing I can say about post wd..is the sleep regulation..I have found if I sleep badly,
    the next day is slower for me..but then I guess it's true of most people..I am just learning to
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    :)Yea Ken..I meant I wasn't trying to flame or upset you with the Imodium thing. Simply, your dose schedule is working for you.
    Congrats on the progress![^]

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    Hey thanks liras and Jdude, and sorry for the flame misunderstanding lol. Something very very interesting about today is, I feel very good almost as if i had actually taken sub. I am finding that its not that I can't sleep but rather, my sleep schedule is backwards. The hours i'd normally sleep between midnight and 6 am, i'm wired. Somewhere around 6-7 am, I lay down and zonk right out. Its 430 pm now, and I just woke up at 3. I'm laid off at the moment (horrible MI economy) so I'm kind of lucky to have the time to be able to do this right.

    I do have a very high metabolism and when kicking from regular opiates such as H, I can usually make it through the most of the acutes in 3 days but those 3 days are intensified horribly which made it so hard but with this sub, i never really got it that bad but because of the half life it was drawn out, and today is day 7 and I'm noticing huge huge changes already. Other than my armpits sweating (which usually lasts a couple of days past the actual brunt of the acute withdrawals for me) is about the only symptom I am feeling today.

    I haven't taken anything today, no benadryl, no imodium, no BP med and I am actually breathing a sigh of relief that I've reached the top of the hill and am well on my way down the other side. The PAWS have never really effected me that bad and the symptoms i do show are always manageable. I think today for the first time since ceasing the sub dose, I will rejoin my hockey team for conditioning and practice and depending on if my condition feels this good tomorrow or not, I will probably go ahead and play in the game. I'm usually a 1st line power forward (kinda like red wings Johan Franzen for those with some hockey knowledge) but will probably request to be moved down a line for a little less ice time depending on my level of energy.

    Do any of you think that to practice or play would be a bad idea?

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    Hi again Shady~ I had to giggle when I read your thing about your fast metabolism. I "had" that too..I would burn through my methadone like nothing...and I guess the suboxone too. But it's gone to say the least..I have gained 15 pounds since I got off sub...so much for my eating thing I want days..I don't know if it just my body repairing itself or the down time re: wd. But it is making me nuts..I feel starved...and afraid to eat..then I am sure I am slowing it down myself with those habits even more. So today I am on a mission..eat..and moved my big arse..lol. Been out raking the yard etc.
    So it got me to thinking...slow metabolism w/no drugs..or just post wd. Slow metabolism can make you feel sluggish..no energy..cold..to say the least...let alone those almost feel like depression. Maybe this is what causes some PAWS..I read all morning about metabolism's and thyroid..etc. Just my theory.
    I think you are doing great. And you can call me Shari...you know I am female..with obsessing over weight.Eeek
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    Nice to meet you Shari, how long have you been off of the sub now? I find that being an athlete REALLY helps the detox process because we tend to have higher metabolisms from working out, our brain is able to repair itself faster due to it releasing endorphins during physical activity and since we're in overall decent shape I think athletes just have a good advantage over a non athlete when it comes to detoxing.

    My last time period where I was clean for any substantial amount of time was about 4 years ago and I was clean for 8 months coming off of H, morphine, and dilaudid and It was weird because 1 month clean to the day I felt like a new person. I mean, even mentally I felt amazing. I think what attributed to this most was that, before when trying to get clean I got lazy, didn't do a whole lot etc and then this time, I'm as active as my body will allow me to be w/o overdoing it.

    Right now, I have already set myself up to where I know my triggers, I burned all bridges with any connections, threw away phone numbers, told some people to leave me the hell alone and this is the VERY first time getting clean that even through withdrawals I never had a craving to go use. No desire whatsoever. I treated it as if I had the flu, not as if I know the one thing that would make feel better instantly. I just told myself, If i endure, if I stay the course...I'll ride it out and I'll never have to feel this way again (assuming i never do actually get the flu again lol)

    This thursday is my 26th birthday, and Last year on my birthday the wish was to be clean within a year. By thursday i should feel great and I can start off another year of life with a clean slate so to speak. I've been able to surround myself with positive people who care about me, and Will do anything to help ensure that I don't slip back into my own ways. For the first time in 8 years since i became an opiate addict, I actually feel mentally and physically that I will step out into the light at the end of the tunnel, grab a bulldozer and bury that tunnel beneath me.

    Thanks so much for all the kind words again because it was encouraging and I really needed it. I will continue to keep my progress updated through the various stages.

    Thanks again,
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    Ken...recovery is life itself. Your hockey is part of your life...enjoy it.[^]

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