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    Jtotheatothey is offline Junior Member
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    Default HELP Short term Suboxone Detox from Oxys "DAY 1"

    Hello all, so glad I found you!

    A friend and I started our own short term suboxone detox today, trying to get off Oxycontin, Hydros, and other opiate pain killers.

    Here is a little history on our use.

    My friend has been on opiates for about 3 months strong now, taking a MIN of 120-140mgs insufflated daily.

    I have been on and off for about a year and a half, but this latest run, I have been using for 2 weeks basically non stop, using a MIN of 80mgs a day (mostly insufflated).

    I have had a bit of luck myself using Methadone's to get off my usual 1-2 week binges, without any WD, but now after 1-2 weeks (started as 1-2 months), I am back to my old habits, 80-120mgs a day! This has been going on for, like I said, 1.5-2 years now. I am so tired of the monkey always being on my back!
    My freind on the other hand, has not had the same luck with methadone's as I have and cannot go 1-2 days without painful WD's.

    So we decided a week ago, we were going to try out Suboxone, as I have heard good stories of people kicking their habit using these. Plus we are using each other for support. (something neither of us has tried before)

    So today is day ONE! My friend and I started off taking 1/4 of a 8mg first thing this morning after waiting aprox. 16-20hrs since our last use. Personally I was very skeptical of the suboxones actually suppressing my urges use more oxy, but after about 45mins, I actually felt fully capable of making it through my day at work. My friend had her day go exactly the same (without the skepticism). By now, both her and I have taken a total of 6mgs each today, and our hopes are very high!:) What I didn't quite expect was me to be too! The suboxones get me a mild buzz.

    So tomorrow is DAY 2 without oxys, using suboxone. Both of our hopes are high that tomorrow will be a good as today! We are trying to detox and come off oxys and suboxones completely within 3-5 days. I think my friend will have more problems stopping this quickly than I will.

    I guess the reason I wanted to post, was to see what other people's experiences were like in similar situations to my own and if there is anything else we can do to make this as painless of a process as possible. Also, We are sharing 7, 8mg suboxones and are hoping to only need those!

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    Hi there,
    sub is a good route becareful as you may be playing with fire.You have 5 days supply at 6mg a day between you.I am not sure quite what you plan to do.Here are a few ideas;

    1) if you felt ok on 2mg why take another 4mg-the bupe,high isnt really that exciting.

    2) The hydros are the most potent you cite and insufflated you actually get quiker absorption but equal bioavailability infact possibly better that said its a fair bit of an opiate 3x stronger than heroin so not insignificant.That said its been for a short period.So I would suggest you've got more than enough to get off.If 2mgs holds then maintain that for a day or so then start cleavign them up unfortanately you'll prob be dosing in crumbs if you breaking up 8s.But aim to drop by 0.25mg evry day or couple of days.Id usu. say 0.2 but thats a diffcult cut.You both should be fine.

    3)Please be honest with yourself and be clear of what you wish to acheive.

    4)There are many posts on tapering etc just search

    All the best,

    M'camera

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    sounds like things are going well. just be careful people tend to underestimate the strength of subs and how tough they can be to jump off. try to take as little a possible to get by.

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    Thanks for the advice! It really helps!
    Day 2, today, is going better than I would have expected! So far all day, I only took 2mgs of sub first thing this morning and besides feeling a bit groggy (no where even near what cold turkey day 2 would be like!) I think I should be able to make it the rest of the day without! We will see when I go to bed! :)
    My friend is doing equally as well! She took 2mgs of sub first thing this morning and is surviving! She is much groggier than I am but then again, her oxy habit was almost double mine! She is probably going to take another 2mgs tonight at bed time.
    We are both trying to get down and off subs ASAP! Our hopes are very high we can do it!
    Yea, I think I went a bit overboard on day 1! I realized after reading your posts, that I probably would have been ok with just 2 or 4mgs for the day! But at least we are doing better today! Tomorrow is friday, our last day of work for the week, then we have 2 days to deal with some WD's. Im thinking sleep, but thats probably not the best idea. What about just busting butt and sweating through it? Does that work for some people?

    Thanks again for the advice!

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    Dear Jtotheatothey,

    Did you ever consider just slowly detoxing off of your drug of choice - oxycodone or hydrocodone? I believe the most successful system for getting off of any opiate involves a gradual or incremental systematic dosage reduction. You reduce a little, hold a few days until you are well and then reduce again.

    If your reduction increments are small enough (e.g. a milligram or less), you might even be able to reduce your dosage each day.

    The point of an incremental system is to taper off while avoiding withdrawal symptoms that could undermine your desire to taper. Using this gradual system, I was able to get clean - many times.

    For me, the issue was not getting off opiates, it was staying off opiates. Getting off was easy. Staying off was hard. I believe the reasons I have been unable to stay clean was because I have not resolved the underlying issues that caused me to use drugs in the first place. I suggest you consider why you used in the first place and discover if those issues will still be present when you get clean.

    While Bupe can help, it is ultimately just another extremely addicting opiate that you will have to detox from. Why trade one addiction for another? If you were not willing to reduce your dosage of your drug of choice, why would you now be willing to reduce your dosage of Bupe?

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    quote:Originally posted by ideaman
    While Bupe can help, it is ultimately just another extremely addicting opiate that you will have to detox from. Why trade one addiction for another? If you were not willing to reduce your dosage of your drug of choice, why would you now be willing to reduce your dosage of Bupe?
    There's no reason for me to add anything. Ideaman has said it all. Just remember that the reason you feel fine...is because you are still taking opiates.

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    i was completely unable to control my oxy intake. sub worked differently for me than oxy. it didn't give me the high that i craved, yet it curbed my appetite. then again, i only took sub for five days then stopped. doubt i would have been able to do that outside of a hospital setting. good luck.

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