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    Default why is subutex not working?

    I have a lot of subutex...60mg.available to me.
    The problem is that last time i used it,22 hours after my last shot it still made me violently sick,i took 8mg to start with then...i mean throwing up ,shiwers,goose bumps, and i could not sleep for two days! so now im to damm scared to go of the sh*t again and start my subbies course...
    Is it because im doing to much stuff(about 0.5g)pure yellow burning heroin)per day(injecting) or are there something else im doing wrong?
    please help.
    J

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    Johan-

    I had the same issue with suboxone, not subutex. I was shooting 2-3 grams day of good dope. Bottom line is for me, no matter how long I waited to dose .... I was feeling like crap until the 3rd day. Coming off heroin with sub is just plain and simply not fun for 2 days. This is why i recommend taking your last shot of dope on Friday morning, and detoxing through the weekend. By Monday, my body had usually stabalized on the sub.

    Keep us posted
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    Welcome johan. It sounds like you may have went into precipitaed WDs. Taking too much sub...too soon.

    As Allgood said, wait a little longer and take a smaller dose. Maybe 2mg and hold there for at least an hour to see IF you need to dose again. If you do...dose another 2mg and wait some more.

    What's your plan with the sub?

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    Hey Guys.
    Thanks for your replies.I cut my use in half today to just two shots.I have one smaller shot left for tommorow morning and the plan is to sleep taking a 1mg rohypnol tomorrow night...sleep until i wake up(which will be 20-24 hours after my last shot) and then start with like 4 mg subutex.I hear what you say with 2mg but i just now that 2mg wont even touch sides with me...{I'm in the east and this dope is pure nr4 blue magic}
    After talking that can i work it up to 10 mg or more???
    Should i try to wait longer than 24 hours???
    I know i should not take dizapam with the subutex, is that really dangerous ?, cause i just need to get some sleep in those first couple of days!
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    Hi johan,

    I'm a little confused...what do you mean by "shots"? Are you saying that you are going to do H and then try to induct onto the subutex again? The important thing is not so much how much dope you use but how long you wait between your last dose of H and starting the subutex.

    Also, rohypnol is not diazepam. I think it's a benzo (I'd have to go check to be sure) but it's an altogether different drug than diazepam (valium)...I wasn't sure from your post if you were confusing the two or if you were talking about both individually.

    Also, how long do you plan to use the subutex? It sounds like you only have a limited supply (60 mg. total) correct? The reason I ask is that you sound like you want to get to 10 mg. of subutex. The best thing to do with sub is to try and keep the dose as low as possible, when using it just for the detox and yet try to keep the withdrawal symptoms at a manageable level....but not to feel GREAT. Because....you will pay at the end for that great feeling. 10 mg. of sub is a rather high dose and the higher the doses you take, the worst the withdrawal off the subutex may be at the end.

    And, if you only have 60 mg. of subutex to work with, you're gonna want to have enough to taper down the last few days. At 10 mg./day, it would be gone in 6 days and you do NOT want to jump off at any dose above 2 mg....and tapering it down even more (below 2 mg.) would be even better.

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    johan....there isn't a magic dose. Not sure why your goal is 10mg. But after your induction/initial dose wait at least 90 min. Then see if you need to dose again. With another 2mg.

    You already know 8mg induction is way too much. Make sense?

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    quote:Originally posted by johan111

    I have a lot of subutex...60mg.available to me.
    The problem is that last time i used it,22 hours after my last shot it still made me violently sick,i took 8mg to start with then...i mean throwing up ,shiwers,goose bumps, and i could not sleep for two days! so now im to damm scared to go of the sh*t again and start my subbies course...
    Is it because im doing to much stuff(about 0.5g)pure yellow burning heroin)per day(injecting) or are there something else im doing wrong?
    please help.
    J
    Tho I am not on the east coast, I am in the eastern part of the midwest and am familiar with "yellow" heroin. I do not believe it is is pure heroin, but some sort of synthetic concoction that may or may not have H in it, I beleive it may contain dolophine(methadone). Cutting H with water soluable methadone is pretty common for as long as I can remember.
    In 2003 while in detox at a rehab, it was over 36 hours before my WD was bad enough to take my first 2mg Sub. We assumed the H I had doing had been cut with methadone because it just doesnt take that long to go into WD from H.

    Also, like everyone already said..the lower the dose of Sub, the better you will feel. Read about it in this forum or you will find out the hard way...

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    Ye shots as in heroin shots..im not on the subs yet!
    Im gonna start it tomorrow morning.I wanna start at 4mg. and then work it up to 10mg and then start tappering it down by 2mg a day.Rohypnol is a flunitrazepam that is just a very strong diazapam(same family).
    I hear what you say with 8mg that made me sick last time, but it was at the same time not enough, cause it didn't take away the WD symptoms...that lets me to believe that its not the dose that made me sick but the fact that 22hours was simply not long enough after my last dose.
    anyway im starting in the morning with 4mg and will work it up in 2mg's until it starts helping with the symptoms,to somewere between 8-10mg. then 8mg on day 2:6mg on day 3:4mg on day 4 and so on.....

    Ps. I live in the east of the world...Thailand and this is no methadone, it's dope strait from the golden triangle in the north of Thailand.
    Thanks for all your help!
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    sawatdee krup.

    i think your right, you need to wait a bit longer and start low and work the dosage up till it feels better. the cows scale helped me to judge when to start the sub.

    http://www.naabt.org/documents/NAABT_PrecipWD.pdf

    hope this helps!!!



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    quote:Originally posted by johan111Ps. I live in the east of the world...Thailand and this is no methadone, it's dope strait from the golden triangle in the north of Thailand.
    Thanks for all your help!
    Oh! Sorry I misunderstood. In that case it's no wonder the sub didnt help the first time around. 8mgs probably sent you worse into WD. I am anxious ot hear how your first 4mg dose goes for you.

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    Yo guys and girls...
    how going?
    I cheated a bit and got one more shot!!!damm..but then also decided to leave to a friends house by the coast where there are no dope. Im at 22 hours now(had ok sleep with sleeping pill) and still feeling OK..so i think i'll try to puss it as long as possible today(only 11am here now)maybe see if i can hold to 5 this afternoon..i've just got the goose bumps all over and sneezing like a pirate right now...
    but no back ache yet and i can surprisingly still sit by the laptop and write.....

    I am all alone here, that feels a little eary...but now is the time, I have a super nice flat on the beach with movies and 42' flatscreen and just couple of hours to go and im sure the subs wont make me feel like i wanna die again...that is all im scared of,not the feeling crap but the fact that last time i really actually thought im gonna not make it after i took the subs..22 hours after my last shot of H
    sorry for all the Q
    I still need to know if i can take 1mg ryhponol with the subs??(night)to sleep ?
    but can anyone tell me how weed and subs mix,,,cause my nice American friend that dont really now anything about this stuff left me some nice hydro weed..?????trying to help he said: this will sort you out...I almost lol..,

    so this time ill wait 30 hours and lets see...start with 4mg.
    keep you posted in a few hours
    would like to here from you guys...
    Johan

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    yo. east coat. Pot is fine in the mixing world if it WORKS for you. you in my limitied experience first took you sub too soon. wait untill you fell like hell then start. Sub I Think should be a short term taper drug or else it is worse than H which if I am not mistaken I think you are on.(I am an ocxguy). If you want to stay clean do as your doc. says. I so far am diggint the rapid sub detox (seven days). good luck friend.

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