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This is a very popular recipe for getting off opiates and I thought it might be helpful for anyone that needs it. It's a good thing to have just in case .... Sojourner
> The Thomas Recipe for Cold Turkey Withdrawal
> Thomas Recipe Text
PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas
If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
Admin Note: The use of benzos for a home detox is a very bad idea. It can be dangerous for one thing not to mention that if you take them for more than a couple days you will be detoxing from these which is a much much worse wd than opiates.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will m
Well, simple L-Tyrosine does **** for me. When I contacted NC, they said that L-tyrosine was only one of the many active compounds and it alone wouldn't help with the physical withdrawal symptoms. Also, be very very careful with imodium. Too much of it can rupture your intestines. Check the web if you don't believe me.
Well here it is: I hope it can help many of you going through this. Hopefully someone can bump this once in awhile because I think it can be a tremendously valuable tool-Ukonom
Hey all.................I got to thinking about the "infamous" Tomas Detox Recipe that was very popular around the net several years ago, lo and behold I found it hidden away in a file cabinet, and although I don't have a scanner, I thought I would go to the trouble of re-posting it as it helped me through my first couple of detoxes, and I know some of you are new to this so I thought it might help you too! TwinnLynn reminded me about it and I know there are some old posts that mention it, but it has been distorted, so if it helps one person getting ready to go through this or someone currently hurting it was definately worth my time: Once again, this recipe helped me immensely when I went through my original withdrawals, but in some ways that was a curse because making it easier for me also made it easier to go back! Thats why I didn't even consider it this time around. Feel the pain....ya know!
Well here goes: from the original script
This is my cold turkey detox recipe for Lortabs/Norco/Vicodin (yes, with the right combo of drugs and non-drug therapies, you can detox yourself from this drug) I know because I developed this formula in order to detox myself from a seventy-five (yes, 75) vicodin per day habit. So here it is. If you're going to do it, follow it to the letter or it won't work. The one RX drug you will need to make it really work is some kind of benzo like valium (recommended), klonopin, librium, xanax, ativan (etc). So, if you have any relatives that can help you out with one of these drugs (or a doctor, of course) the benzos will help make the results much more successful....but if you can't, the recipe can still work.
Here's my tried and true do-it-yourself "cold turkey" detox protocol
Supplies you will need first:
As many Valium, Xanax, Librium, Ativan, Klonopin as you can get your hands on
First Day off opiates: Use enough Valium or whatever to, if possible, sleep through most of the first couple of days. Then start decreasing the dose until your down to nothing in about 5 or 6 days. You will have to do the math. The Valium or one of its sister drugs will help tremendously with the anxiety and, somewhat, with the body aches. Valium will make you eat like a pig and, when withdrawing from narcotics, one usually craves sweets, so I'd be ready to indulge myself with lots of treats, along with some good "escapist" movies to take your mind off of everything. That has always helped me.
VERY IMPORTANT: Around-the-clock access to either hot baths or Jacuzzi
-speaking of the damn thigh cramps that seem to love to show up in the middle of the night, have that hot bath or Jacuzzi at the ready. Don't hesitate to spend the majority of the week in that "hot" water if that is what it takes to get you through it. You may be wrinkled , but you will have your sanity. Don't underestimate what the hot baths can do to relieve the withdrawal discomfort. They really, really work. Heating pads between the thighs can help with those cramps, too, but not nearly as much as the hot baths.
-Brand Name Immodium (over the counter at the supermarket..don't ask me why, but the brand name just works better)
-if your a normal Lortab, Vicodin addict, you will be getting the runs by no later than the second or third day off the Lortab. In my experience, it's and especially unpleasant variety. At the first impulse, take two or three Immodium and respond to returning urges with two tabs. It's important that you do it at the slightest rumblings from your guts. Immodium is also in the opioid class drug and, even though it's action is mostly confin
THANK YOU for sharing this. I'm going to give this a shot and PRAY that it works. I'm really hopeful, though, that I, like some of you others, will actually be free of all of this agony once and for all. I know it's not an 'automatic' cure ... that I will still have to work at it very hard as well. But for the first time in ... longer than I can even remember ... I'm actually EXCITED about my future.
I do have a couple of questions, and if ANYone out there can share your experiences with me, I would be very grateful:
Can you relate how you felt at various intervals 'post-recipe'? For instance, how did you feel two weeks after; a month; three months; six months, etc.?
I would like to get some sort of perspective on what I might expect - or not expect - at various points. I'm aware that everyone feels differently, but I'd like to be realistic about my expectations.
If you are willing, I WELCOME any and ALL thoughts, comments, suggestions. I'm hoping to start this at the first of next week - February 23, 2009. Please ... please send your prayers this way ;). I need ALL the help I can possibly get.
I am new to this so please forgive me if I have done this wrong. I am a desperate mother who loves her sons very much. My youngest son was on pain meds for a long time. He is trying to get off them because he can not control the addiction part. He was prescribed them for quite a while but his problem was that it would make him feel better and then he would start failing and pop another pill. It got out of control and he would go through his whole bottle for 30 days in a matter of a few days. He can not control the way he takes them. I also am on pain meds but I have been on them for about 10 yrs for the various medical conditions I have and I need to take them. However I control how I take them as it is very rare that I ever take all that I am allowed. I used to take them as prescribed but when I was getting heart surgery there was not enough medication that could be given to help the severe pain of the surgery. I then cut myself back to the bare minimum so I wouldn't have to suffer like that ever again in surgery. I am in complete control of my meds and my prob is I won't allow myself to take as much as I am supposed to so I suffer a lot in pain because I don't want to be addicted like he is.
To get to my point now, my son is trying to detox and my heart is breaking for him. I just called NA and asked for help because I don't think he can tackle this opids monster on his own. He won't go get professional help and I am so worried about him. I see him so very sick and still in pain and it's hurting me so bad because I don't feel this is really his fault. Our family history with our parents, grandparents and other relatives show severe addictions varying from alcohol to drugs. I do believe with all my heart that my son is not to blame for this but it is in his genes and he has no control. I am going to try to show this to him and hope that he will try it and that it works for him. Please, if any of you have any suggestions or comments I beg you to message me so that I can help him. Its been a really horrible road and I don't feel he should have to suffer alone like this.
I also want to state that he has tried to kill himself several times because he feels worthless and that everyone hates him because of this problem. He gets violent and does things that he normally would never do. He is a good person and would do anything in the world for people and I don't want him to end up in prison. I am very sickly and I don't want to die without seeing my son get his life back. He used to be so popular and play basketball and have gangs of friends over and now he is stuck in his room with panic attacks and just a horrible nightmare of what a life should not be. I have been begging him to go for professional help after his recent suicide attempt but he won't do it. I feel so sorry for him and like this is partly my fault. I just don't know what to do anymore. We have gone from loving each other dearly to not talking or trusting one another anymore and it hurts so bad. Please help me help my son.
Calling NA is a great start ... there will be people there just like him and he won't feel so alone. AA is also an option. How does he feel about attending those?
This is not your fault, btw. You love your son, he's in a bad situation right now, but he can get better. By the way, the recipe above is a somewhat dated and controversial method for detox IMO ... and for me, getting through the detox was just the start. The key is to enter some type of recovery that carries us through the days following.
This board is FILLED with people who have gotten off opiates and now live happy lives ... it takes time, but with help it works. I've been clean ten and a half months and I'm happier than I ever was on drugs.
What can we do? What information would you like to have? Everyone here wants to help. Would your son get on here and type to us?
MissinMySon; Hi can I just tell you that I put my Mum through the same agony as you are suffering. Detox is just the first step, and gives our brains a chance to work something like normally. Maybe even recognize the love that is being given to us.Home detox requires enormous amount of self control and discipline. Clinic residential detox much easier. IMHO we then need ongoing support so that we can stay well. For me NA & AA provided this. I used to think it was only me and I was unique, nobody else could possibly understand. NA showed me differently. I do not promote or represent NA in any way, it just happened to work for me.Significantly, I no longer hate myself for the torment I put my Mum & family through. The medication and supplement regime detailed in this thread does really work in preventing the worst of the withdrawal pain/ discomfort, I know from experience. Does nothing for the cravings though, hence home detox tough. Do not despair, there are ways out.
You may message me directly if you wish to talk further.
T, a recovering addict.
As of today July 18, 2009 I want to thank all of you for your help. I was so distrought and worried about my son. We had gotten to a point in life that we couldn't even speak to one another and didn't trust each other anymore. All we did was fight and by me having a bad heart and other health issues I can't tell you what this was doing to me with his addiction. He was the baby of the family and the one son who was so close to me. My daughter died from a birth disease at the age of 11. Almost to the time she passed away a year later my son was born. I felt that God had given me a child back because he took one away. This son and I were so very close that he never wanted to leave my side for anything. I felt so bad for him with his addiction but I was also so very angry with him because he was stealing meds from me and lying to me. I then had to begin lying to him about not having any. I don't lie and I hated what I had to do to stop him from hounding me all night for meds. The horrible fights we had and busting walls, etc was causing me to feel very ill. All my other children used to be jealous of him because he was the baby and we were so very close. Then they began hating him and calling him names because of his addiction. I finally called NA the one day after I read your posts. I was so upset and crying because it had dawned on me that this was not my son's fault. After speaking to the NA counselor who was a former junkie I had a better understanding of why my son had this problem. I realize some of you may disagree but I honestly believe in what I am saying to you now. My son came from two families who had addictions. Most of my family had addictions with alcohol and drugs that ended up killing a good bit of them. Some of my husband's family also had addiction problems and ended up dying from it. I knew what I seen as a child was not what I wanted my life to be. I was going to be stronger and prove that although I was raised around nothing but addictions I was never going to allow myself to be that way. I thought it was all because of my will power but it wasn't. I have been taken these meds for about 10 years but I never take as much as I am allowed. I have no choice but to take them and it was even suggested I take more but I wouldn't. This isn't just about willpower and I don't think anyone chooses to be a junkie or alcoholic. I hated my family for these problems they had but I understand more clearly now than I ever did in my life. It's in my sons genes and he has no control over it. He didn't choose to just start taking these meds they were prescribed for him. He has medical conditions too but not as severe as mine and the medicine made him feel better so he just kept popping more and more. It got way out of control and he almost OD'd several times which i was not aware of. I was so angry yet so afraid that I may die and my son would be on the streets without a life and a home and all his brothers were going to hate him forever. As of today, I feel hope and I even have enough strength to want to go out. It's because of you and the NA counselor that I now have these feelings. This whole thing has taken a toll on my health but I feel so much better today and it's because you all gave me such hope that we could beat this monster. I took your reciepes and printed them out. I didn't have the energy to go to the store and get most things myself because fighting with my son had beaten me down so bad. I got someone else in the family to get most of the things needed. Then Yesterday after several days of your detox receipe i was able to drive 64 miles to get my son the rest of the things he needed to come off his addiction. I understood that he should have some suffering to help him remember but not so much that it would torture him the way it was. It truly was breaking my heart watching my son suffer in the manner he was. I have been slowly decreasing his intake of the medicine and increasing the intake of your reciepe to help him get through the worse part. I also bought him some safe energy drinks that are made up of
What can we do? What information would you like to have? Everyone here wants to help. Would your son get on here and type to us?
thank you so much. What can you do is what you all have already done. Being here for me and for my son and giving us hope. I added some of my own stuff to his recovery and did it a little bit different but it is working. I thank you for taking time to write and I know he will be coming to this site someday to thank you his own self. Right now he is enjoying a day of not suffering. That's more than I had several days ago when I found this site. Each day we will look forward to a better day. As I told another member in a private message " we should never forget where we came from but always have hope and look forward to where we are going!" I have that now and so does my son thanks to the caring people on this site.
God Bless you all
I would like to add something else though. My sister was on opids and she got her daughter hooked at a very young age. Her son in law is also a junkie. The three of them have gone into a program which they all get methadone from the centers for detox. My sister has been on it for many years and so is her daughter and son in law. They tell us how they have been clean for so long because they take methadone but I don't understand how that can be considered clean. If someone can explain this to me I would appreciate it. I don't mean to put anyone down here I just want to understand why someone gets off one drug for another and stays on that drug for so many years.
These are great cold turkey remedies and i see that the hot baths are noted many times. I have unfortunatly become dependent to pain meds after many surgeries while being a sub. abuse coun myself. This happens to the strongest of people so dont think that you are alone. I would just like to add to the Thomas recipe to give extra options. I have found to help greatly with the horrible leg pains along with the long soaks is to drink the sleepytime extra tea ( Chamomile with valirum root) This can also be used to avoid dependencies to a benzo. This root can be purchased over the counter and should be taken until well after the 4 days of extreme withdrawal. I would usually take about 4- 6 pills every 4 hours. Valirum root is used widely in Europe as a sleep aid. I have also found other teas to be very helpful such as chamomile and passion flower but the sleepytime extra has worked with me in the past. If you have access to a doctor and do not wish to discuss this with him/her i also recommend the use of B12 injections, If not, use the B12 sublingual for it will give added help with the leg pains. To add another thought i have noticed that the drink Ovaltine (loaded with B vitamins) with warm milk has helped with these pains and the insomnia. Stay strong and you will get past this. Recognize your triggers especially that of boredom. Believe in yourself and stay positive.
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